The real reason Boeing's new plane crashed twice

This isn’t just a computer bug. It’s a scandal.
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Two Boeing airplanes have fallen out of the air and crashed in the past six months. On the surface, this is a technical failure. But the real story is about a company's desire to beat their rival.
Read about Boeing's efforts to get the 737 Max reinstated for flight here: www.vox.com/2019/4/5/18296646/boeing-737-max-mcas-software-update
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  1. Vox

    Vox

    5 днів тому

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    • Rob Y

      Rob Y

      6 годин тому

      +Brian Dell Bottom line is that Boeing put a system in a plane to address an inherent misbalance in the flight characteristics of the plane in order to sell the plane as just another 737. In order sell this idea this they completely omitted mention of the MCAS system in the flight manuals. This would have been fine if the system didn't have absolute authority over the stab trim and pitch of the aircraft but it did! It would have also been fine if the system had any degree of redundancy... Which it didn't. It may have also been fine if the pilot input had control authority over MCAS... But it didn't! This is pure speculation but imagine you are a pilot and you lost complete pitch control of the aircraft and it is nosing down. You have seconds to figure out a problem that is not even mentioned in the flight manual and you are at a low altitude trying to make it back o the airport for an emergency landing. That's like telling a trained UFC fighter that he should have used his Jiu-Jitsu skills when someone came up behind him at a bar and sucker punched him in the back of the head. Never saw it coming. Another thing to mention is that because of the jack screw design of the 737 turning off MCAS by activating the cutout switches does not automatically fix the issue... The Stab trim is now STLL in FULL nose down position because it cuts power in the last known position of the stabilizer which in this case was full nose down! Now by following Boeings instructions you have created a stabilizer that is STUCK in full NOSE Down. This stabilizer now needs to be manually BY HAND trimmed with zero assistance from the electric motors which could be impossible in the current situation.

    • Brian Dell

      Brian Dell

      7 годин тому

      +Rob Y The system was off before that happened. So, no, the system did not do that. They turned it back on despite instructions not to. And then bad things happened because they were exceeding the aircraft's speed capacity. Never once did they try to slow down. Boeing cannot design a plane that is controllable at 500 knots because of this thing called physics.

    • Rob Y

      Rob Y

      8 годин тому

      +Brian Dell Boeing created a system that had NO redundancy for sensor failure that had absolute trim and pitch control over the airplane. Then didn't tell the pilots about it because they wanted to sell the fallacy that the Max 8 was just another 737. I guess the pilots could have slowed down but they forgot to turn on the antigravity switch as they were struggling with a 40 degree nosedive that the non redundant, ghost system put them in.

    • The Blue Revolution

      The Blue Revolution

      16 годин тому

      One day Corporate and Capitalism will destroy the Human Civilization in its greed and competition

    • .a. .ko.

      .a. .ko.

      18 годин тому

      The crash investigation are not yet concluded. How im gods name do you dare to claim having the real reason for the crashes???? This is irresponsible, insensitive and outright disrespectful to the families who lost someone in these crashes! You dont do journalism youre in the business of making a quick buck with click bait titles.. i reported this video

  2. mehrdadjoker

    mehrdadjoker

    3 години тому

    :(

  3. Buto Ijo

    Buto Ijo

    3 години тому

    MCAS = More Crash As you See

  4. Vasilis T

    Vasilis T

    3 години тому

    Boeing shouldn't buy cheap, chinese software.

  5. Nihat Savmaz

    Nihat Savmaz

    3 години тому

    Americans can not be trusted. Thats it.

  6. Aron

    Aron

    3 години тому

    When making money is more important then saving lives ...

  7. Oladipo Ajayi

    Oladipo Ajayi

    3 години тому

    why is rhe plane only having this problem in particular countries, other advanced countries had the same problem but the pilot deals with it by turning the software of if you think automatic car parking software will ever work perfect, you deceive yourself this is were training comes in if is not working turn it off. advance countries spend much more time on training.

  8. AzeriHound

    AzeriHound

    3 години тому

    If I'm understanding this correctly, several hundred people died, simply because Boeing wanted to outcompete Airbus? So....why isn't Boeing's CEO behind bars? Last time I checked, murder was a crime.

  9. j22man

    j22man

    3 години тому

    Competition really be killing people out here 😳😔

  10. Mabooze

    Mabooze

    3 години тому

    The background music in this video should be by Pet Shop Boys "Opportunity-lets make lots of money"......Where the some of the lyrics says it all...." I can "programme" a computer choose the perfect time If you've got the inclination I have the CRIME. I've got the brains you've got the looks Let's make lots of money"

  11. spinerocker

    spinerocker

    4 години тому

    Greed kills

  12. Ray K

    Ray K

    4 години тому

    737 is an old design, so management extend its life with more efficient engines.The new bigger engines alter the center of gravity, so engineers add software.Pilots are not consulted, so computer input training is inadequate.

  13. Mauro Milia

    Mauro Milia

    4 години тому

    Coanda effect..

  14. Pixel

    Pixel

    4 години тому

    Boeing is stupid as hell. They could’ve just made the gear higher, and fit the engine below the wing.

  15. Ferrari Scuderia

    Ferrari Scuderia

    4 години тому

    Lovely anti-American sentiment again in this biased piece of, well for brevity's sake lets call it reporting. Lets not forget that Airbus had major issues with their A320 Neo aircraft - the culprit? You guessed it, its engines. Though the reasons differed, production was still halted and aircraft deliveries were postponed costing airliners a lot of money, but that's aviation, however, isn't it funny how Europe or Airbus gets no bad press? And if anyone thinks that Airbus didn't skip and cut a few corners to save lives, well wrong. Air France flight 447 could actually have been averted if Airbus would have taken the warnings seriously after other Airbus A330 aircraft suffered similar icing conditions which resulted in the pitot tubes getting clogged resulting in the autopilot disengaging involuntarily. Then Germanwings flight 9525 - official story suicide by co-pilot - though other likely theories such as pilots having flown the same route with the same type of aircraft - an A320 - reported sudden autopilot override where the pilots had no control over the aircraft neither via autopilot input or manual flight, the only reason why nothing happened is because the captain pulled the circuit breaker of the anti-stall system and thus regained control. In short, both aircraft manufacturers are under immense pressure to deliver equipment that is never allowed to fail and are subjected to immense stress on the airframe which few understand, and considering how few fatal airplane crashes occur with an estimated 102'000 flights per day is truly an accomplishment and deserves nothing but the highest praise for the engineers, pilots, cabin crew, mechanics and the entire industry that keeps all these flights as well as entire economies afloat. And honoustly, does anyone really think that Boeing and Airbus are there to make a quick buck and jeopardize potentially their entire workforce? Why bother engineering and improving at all when your goal would be to crash it anyway? This type of liberal saloon communist propaganda only appeals to the feeble minded. Those who have lived - myself included - in socialist/ communist hell know to appreciate everything that comes standard in the greatest country in the world - don't like it, go live in Venezuela or N. Korea.

  16. Andreas Stadel

    Andreas Stadel

    4 години тому

    They have to face Boeing management for legal consequences and imprison them at the end. And they have to scrap this faulty design. And maybe they have to pay fine more than the VW company for their exhaust fraud, because of the proven dead of more than 300 passengers.

  17. حبجميل KËŸLÄ KËŸLÄ LŒVë ‎حبجميل

    حبجميل KËŸLÄ KËŸLÄ LŒVë ‎حبجميل

    4 години тому

    GREED, DIRT GREASE, And SLIME

  18. .:wind.fall:.

    .:wind.fall:.

    4 години тому

    2:14 Wow! "Such an advanced way to fix this! This solution is so advanced." I wonder what other solutions were there? Or if they could've come up with a new plane design alltogether.

  19. LulzRoyce

    LulzRoyce

    4 години тому

    Guess commercial competition doesn't always end in a win for the customer..

  20. Jennifer White

    Jennifer White

    5 годин тому

    does not matter what happens American should be responsible for all the deaths of both planes they never grounded the planes down when the first plane went down Donald Trump should have done is job did he no all that that fake persistent is worried to build a wall now they have 2 planes went down and Americans hands have the blood on their hand did Trump say he is going to make American great again that hands of blood of other people deaths American should pay for all the lives lost in both planes American hands build the death trap and trump is their clown leader that has lifted all the safety rules in manufacturing in America

  21. InfiniteWars

    InfiniteWars

    5 годин тому

    just shows how money can get you away from serious consequences

  22. snirp

    snirp

    5 годин тому

    why fly a 737 when you can fly a 1939

  23. J.C. Schutte

    J.C. Schutte

    5 годин тому

    So Boeing & The Federal Aviation Association are to be sued. They were the real culpritz. Big question still remain: Why couldnt the pilots not switch off the auto pilot program mode and change to manual pilot mode?

  24. Not Human

    Not Human

    5 годин тому

    Malaysian airlines wants to know your location

  25. Chris Marsh

    Chris Marsh

    5 годин тому

    Fascinating, well presented video.

  26. john walker

    john walker

    5 годин тому

    My biggest problem with this is it's not the first time, (Not that this tradegy was). Titanic had to sink so we all got a place on a lifeboat. The Pinto car was a firebomb waiting to be set off by a rear end shunt. Chernobyl was a disaster waiting to happen. Hopefully the People who lost their lives were not in vain. But do we seriously think anyone cares who can do something about this? No the share price dip has seen to that.

  27. Bernie Sanders

    Bernie Sanders

    5 годин тому

    DRUMPFS FAULT

  28. Mitchy Mitch

    Mitchy Mitch

    6 годин тому

    Money and greed

  29. Simon Jenner

    Simon Jenner

    6 годин тому

    Boeing has badly harmed itself here as a corporation. And those responsible should be investigated for criminal negligence. As it is, Boeing’s Board of Directors is on notice that key members of executive management need to be removed and terminated for cause.

  30. TheBuddiesForever

    TheBuddiesForever

    6 годин тому

    Airbus is and will always be the best and safe. Excellent video which showcases the truth.

  31. Marthinn Kehntoozs

    Marthinn Kehntoozs

    6 годин тому

    I'd rather fly on TU-134 than on this

  32. Nathan Trujillo

    Nathan Trujillo

    6 годин тому

    Thanks for helping understand this issue better.

  33. DYNB

    DYNB

    7 годин тому

    Corporate greed to the rescue!

  34. Phumie Ngwane

    Phumie Ngwane

    7 годин тому

    This is so heartbreaking. How many lives have to be lost in the name of greed? How is this company still being allowed to fix their mistake?

  35. tram90

    tram90

    7 годин тому

    Switched off this video quickly! Do not MIX speech and music!!

  36. Watchman Steven Anderson

    Watchman Steven Anderson

    7 годин тому

    As a former Avionics Technician US Navy, this is a correct analyst of what happened. Thank You Vox.

  37. Daniel Berroteran

    Daniel Berroteran

    7 годин тому

    ... I do not justify Boeing for the serious error of the Mcas system which could have managed to correct the problem in the 2 accidents caused but being something badly thought and in this commercial war the opportunity is taken to make firewood of the fallen tree ... It is not the first time that these problems occur in the development of a new or an evolution of an airplane in production, of course, it is an evolution but each new accessory or re design in wings, body or avionics system implies changes that seek more efficiency or get more out of a proven base since it saves millions in making one out of nothing ... the 737 has proven to be one of the most efficient and safest in the world, because since the late 60s more than 10,000 units and has projected more than 4,000 to deliver and build. This has become a scandal, especially for those who have interest that this plane has stumbling blocks to continue selling their products in the aircraft market between 150 and 200 seats and this I say especially for the Chinese and Russians with their joint venture CR929, they were the first to paralyze their fleet ... I hope I'm wrong Show less RESPOND

  38. Ed Totman

    Ed Totman

    7 годин тому

    Another issue is that Boeing charged more for extra angle-of-attack sensors and indicators. These options are now included for free.

  39. alconamx

    alconamx

    7 годин тому

    Great video Vox. Yanks - hang your head in disgrace and shame.

  40. Maxime Alarie

    Maxime Alarie

    7 годин тому

    The pilot shouldn't have fought with the plane and just land it when he noticed it was peaking down?

  41. Andres Foster

    Andres Foster

    7 годин тому

    Money ruins all

  42. Rajesh Shah

    Rajesh Shah

    7 годин тому

    Now Trump should Make AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.Bloody loosers their FAA is more corrupt than our Food inspectors.

  43. MrSeedkey

    MrSeedkey

    7 годин тому

    Boeing is surely to blame but so is the certification bodies, it was there job to vet and thoroughly test the designs. How did they approve it so fast? A sinister part of me says maybe there was some influences of Boeing within these bodies

  44. silent watcher

    silent watcher

    7 годин тому

    The real reason is poor quality.

  45. purwoko arie

    purwoko arie

    7 годин тому

    Well at least boeing can no longer blame lion air for the accident on fligh 610...maybe boeing should consider to redesign and rebranding max8

  46. Matrix Dude

    Matrix Dude

    8 годин тому

    737 i the most serial killer i haaate it i jumb when it lands

  47. Farzana Nadeem

    Farzana Nadeem

    8 годин тому

    The people that were travelling, may their soul rest in peace ✌🏿

  48. Prasad Sawant

    Prasad Sawant

    8 годин тому

    Americans.....

  49. Igor M

    Igor M

    8 годин тому

    Wait. Boeing - just for promotional reasons - had lied about unchanged flying characteristcs, and then omitted the existence of MCAS in this "tablet-training" procedure. That's right, good point. But isn't it secondary to that MCAS had failed, repeatedly? And I remember news about simple error in MCAS design, saying that data were read from only one of two redundant sensors, making whole MCAS fully dependant on proper working of one device, and unable to cross-check it in case of its failure. What about it, is it unconfirmed? Existence of two sensors points that it was not just a cost cutting, so there stands question about the procedures, about checking and controlling the design. How has it happen that not Boeing nor NTSB had noticed that ?

  50. QYURRYUS

    QYURRYUS

    8 годин тому

    RIP

  51. GeographyFish

    GeographyFish

    8 годин тому

    Profit over people

  52. Lorena Wieshamm

    Lorena Wieshamm

    8 годин тому

    Boeing is trying to fix a hardware problem with software. The 737 Max needs to be re engineered!!!. But that would involve millions or billions of dollars so Boeing took the cheap solution.... What actually killed 346 people is MONEY. Boeing even if you manage to 'fix' this plane, your credibility can't be fixed so easily. And I really hope that whoever put the stamp of approval on the Max 8 will be prosecuted.

  53. Mr Paul

    Mr Paul

    8 годин тому

    Good news for Airbus

  54. ang xin

    ang xin

    9 годин тому

    Sadly they won't bear the responsibility

  55. Philipp JUTZI

    Philipp JUTZI

    9 годин тому

    Just fly with western pilots, you are likley to be ok

  56. John MCCULLOCH

    John MCCULLOCH

    9 годин тому

    Competition......rushing technology and not properly testing.

  57. Ras Keisar

    Ras Keisar

    9 годин тому

    Airbus is laughing at Boeing big time!

  58. mike burns

    mike burns

    9 годин тому

    It crashed twice because it was quickly grounded. Otherwise, it would have crashed 20 times.

  59. harsh

    harsh

    9 годин тому

    corporate competition money madness corruption and bribery

  60. Giane19h

    Giane19h

    9 годин тому

    isn't enough that America killing people in wars all over the world , they had to kill them in there travels too -_-

  61. Galactic Rangers

    Galactic Rangers

    9 годин тому

    i don't care for this software update, i'll never feel safe on 737 max again, slightest turbilance and i'll be screaming land please, surely they realise the public have lost faith in their product, they may aswel ground them and never let them fly again. it's not a stable aircraft and who honestly in their right mind wants to fly on an unstable aircraft.

  62. hypersonic678 Games

    hypersonic678 Games

    9 годин тому

    Man, Boeing played themselves.

  63. John & Jerry

    John & Jerry

    9 годин тому

    Just some young bois tryna live their dreams in this one life, feel free to be the reason and subscribe to our channel(good content) ✌🏾🥰

  64. Ĺinda Rothera

    Ĺinda Rothera

    9 годин тому

    Everybodys thinking dodgy Chinese parts & slack servicing

  65. Charlie Whiskey

    Charlie Whiskey

    9 годин тому

    So what's the connection between the new engines and MCAS pushing the nose down? I can't see the connection through this video. If you mean the engine is physically heavier, that moves the CofG forward all else equal - no issue - you shouldn't have seen a crash like this; new engine having higher thrust causing a pitch-up at max thrust? Then have a slightly larger horizontal stabiliser - it's not rocket science to solve an issue like that AND still keep the resulting handling characteristics very close to the the 737NG, and I mean mechanically without adding electronic augmentations - even the NG had -700, -800, -900 variants all sharing the same type rating. The Max has had tens of thousands of flight hours logged already. If the issue is fundamental in the flight mechanics, as this video suggested, it would have shown up a long time ago, and it wouldn't have manifested they way it did - two planes just suddenly decided to do kamikaze dives. Airbus has had its "alpha floor" flight augmentation system for decades. Much more likely, Boeing simply screwed up trying to match.

  66. Taolo Samuel

    Taolo Samuel

    10 годин тому

    Who's here after the Ethiopian and Lion air crashes?

  67. RAY.S 3523

    RAY.S 3523

    10 годин тому

    I thought they were going to add additional weight to the plane to balance it, not add software that could have bugs!

  68. Thor's Gaming

    Thor's Gaming

    10 годин тому

    The best short explanation on the Internet so far. Well done 👍 couldn't have said it better.

  69. Inspire True

    Inspire True

    10 годин тому

    Javac....

  70. Marc The man

    Marc The man

    10 годин тому

    Meh

  71. Mat Setizar

    Mat Setizar

    10 годин тому

    Im no pilot but isn’t countering stall one of the most basic skills of flying? Surely no software is needed for this? Also anyone know how many near misses are there? I mean inflight mcas issues that were serious but didn’t result in a crash.

  72. 5 Teratas

    5 Teratas

    11 годин тому

    I lost my friend in Lion Air accident. This video reminds me of him.

  73. Adam 534

    Adam 534

    11 годин тому

    I just think it’s ridiculous that such a small simple problem resulted in the deaths of hundreds. Really dumb

  74. Hans Heini

    Hans Heini

    11 годин тому

    Since the FAA already failed once, Boeing should dare to redo their aviation certification at another authority. That could rehabilitate trust and dispense any suspicion of collusion between Boeing and the FAA.

  75. Mukesh Devrari

    Mukesh Devrari

    11 годин тому

    For money people running these companies can go to any extent.

  76. Divyanshu Singh

    Divyanshu Singh

    11 годин тому

    I very rarely like a vox video. This was one of the only few times.

  77. Jeff Lai

    Jeff Lai

    11 годин тому

    Boeing and FAA are murderers.

  78. KIN

    KIN

    11 годин тому

    Hope those plans never be allowed to fly in the sky again

  79. MC1000media

    MC1000media

    11 годин тому

    Again innocent People suffer because of capitalistic greed £$€

  80. Trust No Government

    Trust No Government

    11 годин тому

    May God almighty do the same to those who did this mistake knowingly coz of money. Amen

  81. Brian Paquin

    Brian Paquin

    11 годин тому

    Population control.

  82. Eugene Koshanof

    Eugene Koshanof

    11 годин тому

    Dear Boeing, your greed over human lives choice backfired big time. All your planes have been grounded and there is no way out of this mess, no matter how many updates you try to make now

  83. wilcox tam

    wilcox tam

    11 годин тому

    boeing 737 max 8 is the samsung note 7 of planes

  84. I drink juice

    I drink juice

    11 годин тому

    Couldn't Airbus have just raised the the wheels on the plane to fit the new engines???

  85. Restricted User Mode

    Restricted User Mode

    11 годин тому

    If these accidents prove anything to me, it's the fact that the capitalist mentality we all live by costs life because we aren't willing to work together and share ideas and the finite resources we are blessed with.

  86. MRSomethin1

    MRSomethin1

    12 годин тому

    I worked as a test pilot for Boeing on the Max 8 and to this day am still not sure why I had to do all flights naked

  87. Ivan Oosthuizen

    Ivan Oosthuizen

    12 годин тому

    This makes me so angry! All in the name of profit; just imagine somewhere some "investor" is having a nice lunch dipped in the blood of innocent people. Sickening.

  88. iRedwan !

    iRedwan !

    12 годин тому

    God bless Airbus 🙏🏼

  89. Michael Gallagher

    Michael Gallagher

    12 годин тому

    This wouldn't happen under communism

  90. Anemoi

    Anemoi

    12 годин тому

    Thanks FAA, Thanks Boeing. Time for new management and in jail with the old. 20 years minimum!

  91. Pity me Nonchalang

    Pity me Nonchalang

    12 годин тому

    😢

  92. Boyd W

    Boyd W

    12 годин тому

    I'm dubious about the change in engine positioning contributing to pitch up issues, given that a lower mounted engine would have a thrust line with a greater moment-arm over the centre of pressure (airframe drag) and centre of mass. Perhaps if there was a change in the vertical inclination of the thrust line, or significantly greater thrust with the new engines. Do you have any evidence to confirm that the MCAS system was introduced specifically to mitigate pitch-up issues caused by the new engines, of is this speculation?

  93. Mohamed Younes

    Mohamed Younes

    12 годин тому

    Never fly with Boeings, most of air disasters are caused by their planes. They always find away to blame pilots or maintenance etc..

  94. Syahreza Fauzi

    Syahreza Fauzi

    12 годин тому

    Thank you so much man, you got my like and subscribe.

  95. LCwavesAtYa

    LCwavesAtYa

    12 годин тому

    So what prevented Boeing from raising the landing gears or increase the diameter of the landing wheels? Is it an issue with aerodynamics that made it unfeasible?

  96. Sasha Kovalchuk

    Sasha Kovalchuk

    12 годин тому

    If the MCAS system is made less aggressive wouldn't the airplane risk stalling? You can't trust software, same with Tesla "auto pilot".

  97. Think Thought

    Think Thought

    12 годин тому

    money is always more important than humans......... always. sad.

  98. T0rb1 NAalborg

    T0rb1 NAalborg

    12 годин тому

    NO Boing 737 Max crashed twice! Get the facts right! It was 2 different Max 737 planes that crashed at 2 different locations at different times.

  99. Natnael Tsegaw

    Natnael Tsegaw

    12 годин тому

    5:20 ... Thats why

  100. tom erik Rasmussen

    tom erik Rasmussen

    12 годин тому

    mcas - McAss

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